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« Odgovor #20 poslato: Avgust 16, 2008, 07:50:05 posle podne »
A to je onaj power box, kao crna kutijica.

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« Odgovor #21 poslato: Avgust 16, 2008, 07:57:03 posle podne »
nemora bit da ima sta pojacano onu koju sam ja vozio ima 150 ks nema nikakve chipove nit nista i u prometnoj ima 150ks

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« Odgovor #22 poslato: Avgust 16, 2008, 08:00:51 posle podne »
Ocigledno njegova nije fabricki 150, vidi se i po opremi, lajsne nisu u boji auta, a i pise mu da je 130. Ma nije ni vazno.

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« Odgovor #23 poslato: Avgust 16, 2008, 09:25:18 posle podne »
ako je to ono sto ja mislim onda bi ti preporucio da skines to jer to je obicno govno kad moram tako da kazem i samo zavarava comp i salje mu signale da je motor hladan i zato motor prima vise benzina,ali se razlika samo primecuje kada je motor stvarno hladan ali ko jos normalan cepa motor kad je hladan.

ovo nisam ja izmislio vec sam sve procitao na nemackim forumima kad me zanimalo to cipovanje i sve to sto moze da se uradi sa pd motorima.

cak sam i nasao da se isti rezultat moze dobiti kad se stavi obican otpornik od 700 - 900 ohma u zavisnosti od motora a takodje moze i da se stavi stelujuci otpornik pa onda da se nadje odgovarajuci otpor koji odgovara motoru.sve je to igranje kojim se ja nebi bavio-a da-u tom black boxu sto navodno daje 20-30ks nema nista drugo nego dva otpornika  
dakle nema nista bez pravog remapinga sve ostalo je bacanje para

ima slika i na netu gde se moze videti unutrasnjost takvog black ili power boxa.

evo pogledaj ovde pa pogledaj kod sebe dali je isti takav power box i najbolje napravi sliku da vidimo o cemu se radi ako se nalazi tu

sto se tice onog papire sto si slikao
pa ja ti mogu prevesti sve ali moras lepo skenirati jer ovako nemogu da procitam nista


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Tuning Boxes
There are too many different suppliers of "tuning boxes" to list here. In some cases, the same device is sold under different names. They vary from simplistic passive electrical circuits to microprocessor-controlled devices. Some have multiple adjustments to allow calibration to different operating conditions and some are "plug and play" with no adjustment possible. All tuning boxes operate by altering the communication between the fuel injection pump and the engine ECU so as to increase fuel delivery under certain conditions. Typically, tuning boxes will considerably increase the maximum amount of fuel delivered at full load, will not change the steady-state boost pressure, and may or may not have some effect on injection timing.

Installation: Plug-and-play types are easy for the do-it-yourself mechanic following the manufacturer's instructions. Generally, unplug the large electrical plug at the injector pump, plug the box in so that it is now "in between" the two parts of the injector pump's electrical plug. Most boxes require one wire to be spliced into the wiring harness of the vehicle, either at the MAF sensor, the accelerator pedal position sensor, or the manifold air pressure sensor. Soldering may be required to do this, or the box manufacturer may provide suitable plugs to allow it to be done without disrupting stock wiring harnesses. Adjustable types may require experimentation following installation in order to get the settings right ... if you have a non-standard configuration, expect this calibration to take a lot longer than actually installing the device. PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS RELATED TO A SPECIFIC UNIT TO THE VENDOR OR SEARCH EXISTING THREADS ON THE FORUMS to avoid creating unnecessary forum traffic.

Advantages: Relatively easy installation, possible for the do-it-yourself mechanic. Some types have fine-tuning adjustments which can either be left alone or customized to a given application. Plug-and-play types are suitable for someone who wants more power but knows very little technically about how the vehicle operates. The modification is readily visible but easily removed should the need arise. Electronic scan tools may not display correct sensor values due to the way the box modifies some stock signals in order to perform its job. There is a large power gain, instantly noticeable when driving the vehicle, but typically gains are smaller than achieved by a chip. All vehicle diagnostic and self-checking functions remain intact but the accuracy of some sensor displayed values may be affected - easily solved by temporarily removing the box from the system.

Disadvantages: The modification is readily visible but easily removed should the need arise. On boxes that require a spliced or soldered wiring harness connection, that connection (even if unplugged) is going to be more or less visible (depending on where you put it) and not easily removed. Some tuning boxes have been known to cause drivability problems and "check engine" lights under certain conditions. Sometimes the adjustable boxes can be adjusted to eliminate these faults, but not always. You are your own warranty. Boxes with multiple adjustments allow fine-tuning to arrive at an optimum setting, but having the ability to adjust something inherently means that there are far more possible ways to get it wrong rather than right. But boxes with no adjustments cannot be adjusted if they don't work in your particular application. PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS RELATED TO A SPECIFIC UNIT TO THE VENDOR OR SEARCH EXISTING THREADS ON THE FORUMS to avoid creating unnecessary forum traffic.

Cost factor: US$200 - US$400 range

Cautions specific to this modification: Injecting more fuel using the stock injectors inherently extends the injection period later in the power stroke, so exhaust temperature will go up during prolonged operation at greater than the stock power output. Due to richer air/fuel and extended injection period, the tendency is towards more smoke in the exhaust, but normally the box manufacturers stay within limits of exhaust smoke that are acceptable to most people and within limits of acceptable exhaust temperature. The vehicle will be more sensitive to fuel quality and proper setup of the injection timing for exhaust smoke. Set injection timing within specifications per shop manual but close to the "advanced" limit in order to ensure that the pump has enough capability to provide sufficient timing advance under load, otherwise the exhaust will be smokier and exhaust temperature will be elevated. *DO NOT* use the "adaptation" settings in VAG-COM to provide more timing advance than the box already specifies.

Suggested modifications in parallel: Exhaust gas temperature gauge, if vehicle is used for trailer towing or for prolonged operation near maximum speed and load; larger oilcooler. De-restricted intake and exhaust systems won't hurt.

"Bang for the Buck": Generally very good, but beware of potential problems, especially if you are trying to use the box together with another major power-adding modification. Power gains are typically going to be less than that of a chip, due to the inability of currently available tuning boxes to do anything about the boost pressure.

What if I want more? Some people have run tuning boxes together with a chip, but this defeats the safety margins that the chip and box programmers have built in, and there is a high probability that the maximum fuel delivery of the injector pump will be reached, causing all sorts of drivability and "check engine" problems. If you see yourself wanting more power than the box provides on its own, then this may not be the best way to go, because if you want to burn more fuel then you need more air, and boxes available to this date do not affect the boost pressure. Using a tuning box together with bigger injectors may or may not work, but it typically isn't the best way to go unless the box is specifically set up for the bigger injectors, because neither box nor injectors specify more intake air than standard, and you'll need more air if you want more power rather than black smoke.

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« Odgovor #24 poslato: Avgust 16, 2008, 11:05:25 posle podne »
po onome sto pise u servisnoj ( mutna slika ) uradjen redovan servis i nista vise. a to za grejace sedista cista glupost. ako ih ima mora da ima dugme za paljenje i nikako drugacije. uostalom provalices kada budes upalio grejac stakla. a da ne bi nagadjali koja je konjaza jednostavno napisi koja je slovna oznaka motora. to su ona tri slova na pocetku broja motora.
zaboravih da kazem ako imas tuning box skidaj to ako hoces da menjac i turbina traju. i ako je 130 ks veruj mi za taj auti saaasvim dovoljno.
« Poslednja izmena: Avgust 16, 2008, 11:07:00 posle podne od strane vw tech »
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« Odgovor #25 poslato: Avgust 17, 2008, 12:40:15 pre podne »
Prekidaci grejaca sedista su pored prekidaca za sva 4 zmigavca, ASR/ESP. Ako imas samo zastitne plastike na mesto gde treba da idu prekidaci za grejanje sedista, onda nemas grejanje. A to za automatsko je cista glupost. Ako hocu da mi se ne smrznu ruke, ne mora da znaci da zelim da mi se usija dupe Ne bih rekao da imas Grejanje sedista. To uglavnom imaju Highline verzije G4/Bora... A ako je nesto chipovano, skidaj chip, box ili sta vec. To su gluposti po meni koje donose mnogo vise zla nego dobra. Taj motor od 130ks je zmija, i sa njim se lepo nosi Audi A6 i Skoda superb, nece li mala Bora!!!
« Poslednja izmena: Avgust 17, 2008, 12:45:05 pre podne od strane iwcham1979 »
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« Odgovor #26 poslato: Avgust 17, 2008, 12:46:01 pre podne »
Ja ti preporucujem da uradis kompletan veliki servis i da budes miran jer papir trpi sve, ko zna kad je to po knjizi radjeno i koja mu je stvarna kilometraza da bi video koliko je stvarno presao posle servisa.

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« Odgovor #27 poslato: Avgust 17, 2008, 04:20:30 posle podne »
tai rad, samo napisi prva tri slova iz broja motora iu znaces koliko imas konja fabricki...ja imam 150, meni je ARL motor i mislim da je to jedina oznaka za 150konja....za 130 ASZ, nisam siguran dal postoji jos koja...

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« Odgovor #28 poslato: Avgust 17, 2008, 11:15:13 posle podne »
E ovako ...

imao je onu plastiku tamo ... to sam prodao komsiji  za 100e pre 20 minuta:)

iskreno i bez toga nema nekakve razlike .. bar ja ne primecujem ...

sto se tice sigurnosti kilometraze .. tu nema sumlje jel je kuplen od lika koga zna decko moje seshe ...

on ej prvi vlasnik .. auto mu je bio registrvan na firmu .. pa samo mi preko neke agencije preko uzeli taj auto da bi mo se vratio pdv (19%) od cene automobila ...

tmaoje redovno servisiran . ali evo vec puni 200 000 pa i po pravilu bi trebao da se odradi servis ...

Saobracajna mi je kd seshe pa ne znam broj .. ali mislim da ce ovo pomoci



i jos jedan pokusaj slikanja servisne \0

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« Odgovor #29 poslato: Avgust 17, 2008, 11:40:44 posle podne »
Km je ovde sumnjiva. Auto koji je dosta km pregazio sada ima 200k, a pre godinu dana tacno je upisan servis na 185?!! Servisna je original 100%, ali je zadnji servis mnogo mator da bi ti sad npr, kad bi bio za dalju prodaju auto, neko poverovao u km...
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« Odgovor #30 poslato: Avgust 17, 2008, 11:49:03 posle podne »
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Km je ovde sumnjiva. Auto koji je dosta km pregazio sada ima 200k, a pre godinu dana tacno je upisan servis na 185?!! Servisna je original 100%, ali je zadnji servis mnogo mator da bi ti sad npr, kad bi bio za dalju prodaju auto, neko poverovao u km...


pazi znaci ja samo znam sta su mi rekli .. ali uvek postoji ona .. ko ce kome ako ne svoj svome .. tako da ono ....


to je sto je .... mogu samo da placem  .. ili da vozim
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« Odgovor #31 poslato: Avgust 17, 2008, 11:52:36 posle podne »
Ja sam prodao Boru sa tim motorom sa 210000km i covek je pre kupovine insistirao na merenju kompresije. Izmereno je 29 od fabrickih 32, sto je ooooodlican rezultat, tako da nemas brige. Ti motori se sale sa 200k km
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« Odgovor #32 poslato: Avgust 18, 2008, 12:00:09 pre podne »
ma sta vam je on se tek razradio kako treba na toj kilometrazi  
inace imas istu boju ko ja
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« Odgovor #33 poslato: Avgust 18, 2008, 12:07:21 pre podne »
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ma sta vam je on se tek razradio kako treba na toj kilometrazi  
inace imas istu boju ko ja
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e stvarno zahvalna boja ...
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« Odgovor #34 poslato: Avgust 18, 2008, 12:49:08 pre podne »
gde nije-nemoras ni da ga peres  
ali ozbiljno-bas se tesko primecuje kad se zaprlja

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« Odgovor #35 poslato: Avgust 18, 2008, 12:48:03 posle podne »
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gde nije-nemoras ni da ga peres  
ali ozbiljno-bas se tesko primecuje kad se zaprlja

Pa nije ni cudo sto se najveci broj novijih automobila prave u sivoj boji. Ja moj perem svaka 3-4 dana, i za to vreme zaprlja se kao da nije pran 3-4 godine...

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« Odgovor #36 poslato: Avgust 18, 2008, 03:37:43 posle podne »
ASZ ti je motor, tise na prvoj slice ehhe, znaci fabrickih 130 ...

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« Odgovor #37 poslato: Avgust 18, 2008, 04:42:17 posle podne »
Ludilo. Basis Bora sa digi. klimom. A moja Trendline bila sa manuelnom...
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« Odgovor #38 poslato: Avgust 19, 2008, 04:22:50 pre podne »
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Ludilo. Basis Bora sa digi. klimom. A moja Trendline bila sa manuelnom...


ja stvarno ne znam .. kako i zasto ..

ali ova moja je sport edition ..

bar tako pishe na pragovima, patosnicama ... a u servisnoj pishe standard ..

cak ima i navigaciju ...
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« Odgovor #39 poslato: Avgust 19, 2008, 04:34:23 pre podne »
Evo .. malko sam snimio i ubrzanje:))

sobzoirom da je sada 3.48 .. i da sam celo vece radio )) onda su greske moguce ..
elem .. kada sam snimao .. prvo ubrzanje je tiptronik .. greskom kada sam ubacivo u drugu dvaput sam pritisnuo menjac i iz 1 sam prebacio u 3 .... pa zato je malo tromije ubrzavala ...

drugi put je ubacen a auto mod ... pa prosudite sami /:)



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